Gang Rape at Richmond High School
Ever heard of the good Samaritan?
Where was the good American this past week at Richmond High School when a young girl was brutally assaulted by multiple boys and then discarded beneath a bench?
I would sum it up in my own words, but blurbs from the officials who investigated the case say it so much better.
“The 15-year-old Richmond High School student hospitalized [sic] in stable condition after the attack, which happened while as many as 15 people, all males, looked on but didn’t help or call police, investigators said.”
” ‘She was raped, beaten, robbed and dehumanized by several suspects who were obviously OK enough with it to behave that way in each other’s [sic] presence,’ said Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan.”
” ‘Based on witness statements and suspect statements, and also physical evidence, we know that she was raped by at least four suspects committing multiple sex acts,’ Gagan said.”
” ‘This just gets worse and worse the more you dig into it,’ Gagan told CNN. ‘It was like a horror movie after looking at the evidence. I can’t believe not one person felt compelled to help her.’ “
Tell me about how difficult it is for teenagers to resist bullies at school. Tell me that the boys who saw and did nothing were probably afraid for their own safety. Tell me she deserved it because she went with the one who offered her a drink in the courtyard.
It won’t change my mind about how despicable and atrocious this action is. In fact, I’ll probably hold it against you. Fair warning.
It’s difficult to pass America off as a moral country when this happens at an average high school.
Source: NYDailyNews.com
Sick. I hope there is some evidence that prosecutors can use to prosecute some of the bystanders. Just standing by is probably not a crime, but if they did anything to encourage the attack or shield the attackers, they could be charged. If, during the investigation, they do anything to protect the attackers, they can be charged.
There is a strong social policy interest in punishing this kind of thing – when 15 people watch a brutal attack like that.
According to CBS
“Richmond High School has a 69 percent truancy rate and is in a school district that had 19 student murders last year. Fights at Richmond have been posted on YouTube, and a van was set on fire on the football field’s new artificial turf. An investigation by CBS station KPIX-TV last year found only a handful of the 16 security cameras in the school were working. ”
I used to live and work in San Francisco, I can attest this East Bay location was a spot building contractors did not like to go. One was shot at while on a roof. Yikes!
I think it was Freud who spoke about the individual by them self is a rational actor. However, when groups come together idea’s what would normally be rejected by the self is mitigated due to the acceptance by the group. Through the echo chamber of group think you can see outrageous behavior that each of the parts is morally unable to accomplish alone. Its fascinating concept.
As a matter of personal curiousness, does this function only work in one direction; that of course being a corrupt ethical spiral? I think it has omnidirectional capacity. To flip this group think around (and to get something positive out of a terrible rape story) how does this echo chamber of positive behavior function AND how can it be utilized?
The primary suspect is facing charges of rape, robbery and kidnapping which means that he is probably going to jail for a very long time.
If each of the attackers participated in more than just their own attack (by holding her down or something), then they could each face multiple counts of rape which add up prison time very quickly.
CNN says it lasted over 2 hours.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/california.gang.rape.investigation/index.html
Michael,
I think there are very few situations where groupthink has positive outcomes. The word itself connotes something being withheld or stolen, namely individuality or creativity. This might just be my American individualistic mindset and the limited situations and novels I associate with groupthink speaking, though. Groupthink is always a negative term. Collective thinking might broaden your query a little, opening said positive behavior functions to include collective nations and societies at large. I really don’t think there’s any situation where groupthink itself yields positive results, though.
I had kind of deliberately avoided reading about this–I do most of these because it’s just so upsetting and what do you do? Jesus. That poor girl.
Michael, what you might be referring to is commonly called the bystander effect. Basically people arranged in groups are less likely to offer or provide assistance than if they are alone.
Great coverage of a horrific story…I also hope that there is some law that can get the onlookers.
Why do people treat each other so inhumanely, i do not know.
I hope she can fully recover from this, she will be hurt for quite some time.
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/teen-homecoming-gang-rape-in-front-of-laughing-witnesses-investigated-in-northern-californisa/
I have relatives in Richmond, and I am familiar with the area and it is an area that has a large percentage of poor black and mexican population, and is very urban, with all the trappings that urban america gives us, a lot of violent crime.
most big communities have this, and the government makes a lot of money off of the poverty infrastructure.It is all by design.
Mr Kramer’s cory remark about..”Yikes”contrctors don’t like to go there…illustrates to me his obvious disdain for the above mentioned poor population of Richmond, and might be so prejudiced as to believe that the wealthy areas are immune to this type of crime, because that is what prejudiced people do…they are blinded by the facts,and see evrything through their prejudiced,intolerant, and yes bigoted views on the minority race here in america.
It is subterfuge to think he is talking about ‘poverty”…which is the code word for these types of clans to mean ”blacks and mexicans…
We see these same types of human crimes from wealthy white kids as well..http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/04/us/campus-peers-shun-student-who-did-not-report-child-s-killing.html
all throughout america, and the FBI’s top 10 most wanted criminal list, does not have any black people on it,… http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/not-one-african-american-on-the-f-b-i-top-10-most-wanted-list/
…there are some Latinos on it, but that does not mean that crime is typical within that community either.A lot of these people are not poor, but rather wealthy.
Explain that to your readers, and any prejudiced view on crime in any city of America that you cite, I will be able to refute with statistics that bear out the fact that there is over policing and harsher administration of the law in theses communities when you look at the total population in any community.
Rich wealty upper crust people do not get police involvement like my people do, in any community, but as in this case, the poorer communities get police action that is dissproportionate to the crime that is committed all throughout the city, leaving the population with a false and baseless opinion of crime, which is that balcks and mexicans are by nature drawn to violent crime, becauase we are shiftless and lazy…
I am certain that is the world view of Mr Kramer, and I say stop watching TV, and get back to that Law library and commit yourself to the truth, without the spin you put on it based on your prejudices of the minority community, rich or poor…
Look at Jerry Price with the (unwarranted) personal attacks….
“”"illustrates to me his obvious disdain for the above mentioned poor population”"”
I will re-assert my use of the word “Yikes” when a roofer is shot at while at work. It is unconscionable that a 3rd world is allowed to exist within the bounds of the United States. My claim is that people did not want to go there because of danger; The statistics demonstrate a high rate of crime and poverty, plus you know the shot at thing. Your insulting attacks convey you refusal to engage in thoughtful debate. Actually, the reason this person is mad is because I did scold him on his blog. In fact I told him his picture of white kids at a prom was a mis-characterization of the school at Richmond. The deeper thought on this is that poverty produces a reality that minority students must deal with on a daily basis – one of which is the 16 homicides at the school annually. I think the real racism here is when people like Jerry Price gloss over these incidents with photo’s of nice white kids so that people never actually engage the politics of poverty.
“”"I am certain that is the world view of Mr Kramer, and I say stop watching TV, and get back to that Law library and commit yourself to the truth, without the spin you put on it based on your prejudices of the minority community, rich or poor…”"”
This is the type of slanderous commentary that drags down the debate. Jerry Price believes I see this gang rape incident as a racist would – the product of minority community. The problem transcends race and is a human condition that results from poverty, lack of education, poor community structures. America should re-examine the dual society that has been established throughout the country. It is unacceptable that such a divide exists… Jerry, its people who quickly jump to play a race card that hamper this conversation. Bring it up an intellectual notch.
Michael, the name is Jerry Brice…you are unfairly attacking Jerry Price, and he is not happy…lol.
What exactly is a ”race card”, and how is it possible to discuss race, and not discuss race.
You and I know that your world view is not accurate, and skewed towads your over riding issue with it.
I am afraid to go to whit hoods because I might be lynched or harrasesed by people like you, that harbor unwarrented fear.
Are you saying that crime only happens in Richmond, or poverty stricken areas?
It’s typical that people like you would not want to discuss these issues competently,and you might not be able to, based on your educational level.Other than that, I was not attacking you, merely typing a reponse to what you inferred as well as said.
‘Yikes” my friend, but present how only crime exist in the lower economic areas and not in any other.
I can present cases of hate crimes in your ”safe” richer areas, because you obviouly look at crimes committed by other races differently than you do for white people, and that is viewd by me as being prejudicial.
It’s you right to say whatever you want, or get offended by whatever, but I was not trying to be any more offensive than the tone of your malicious propaganda.
if the rule here is to be a synchophant and only agree with you, then I simply did not know that, and I am sorry for not being a stooge on your page.
Speaking to the choir is easy, and you must have a great easy life, free from contridiction, questioning and reasoned passionate debate.
Maybe look in the mirror and just kep agreeing with ourself, other than that, you should expect that someone out here in the world may be passionetly in disagreement with you, and just deal with it.
I see that you are not capable of anything but taking personal offense to someone that does not know you personally.
You see people, the emporer has no clothes…
This is what you said to your blog readers…”Actually, the reason this person is mad is because I did scold him on his blog. In fact I told him his picture of white kids at a prom was a mis-characterization of the school at Richmond”…
And this is what you actually wrote on my Blog…
…I somehow think that poster betrays the situation. The real issue is poverty in America…
Race was never brought up by you in this comment, I just checked some of your articles by you on your blog, put 2 and 2 together, the ”coded” words that the Klan i.e.David Dukes,Beck,and based on my world experience, I assumed you took offense to the race of the kids in the picture,because they are not black.It could not have been about thier economic position, because there is not enough info in the picture to make an opinion about that.
I see that my assumtions about your coded phrases were dead-on, as you confirmed by your lies to your readers about what you said, so your viewers are not fools, they jknow that if you are willing to lie about what you stated and inferred in my blog, then you probably are a pathalogical lier.
That would be a logical point of view based on your lying here.
In court, if caught in a lie even once, then everything eles you say, or have said is discredited,and rightly so.
Furthermore, you were the first to use the ‘race card’ not me, I had the balls to just be up front about it, and not use ‘coded words’to mask your bigotry.
It’s okay to be a bogot, we are here to help you get over it, and join our American society, and actually contribute to our melting pot that makes us a strong nation.
You can not have it both ways,and I commend you for trying to hide your overt bigotry, because you must be disgusted with yourself…that’s the first step in your rehabilitation.
I find that reader want clear, and confident information, and not some B.S. stating coded words that go around what you want to say, but are too scared or embarrassed to say, so we are left to try to figure out what you mean.
Oh well, everybody is differnet, and I do not expect every big talker to have a huge set o cajones.
I guess this is what the natives meant by the settlers speaking with a fork toungue. You would make the Pilgrams proud of you with your lying and deciet.
Not I…
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/teen-homecoming-gang-rape-in-front-of-laughing-witnesses-investigated-in-northern-californisa/
I was teasing you about the name, you spelled my name wrong first – guess you missed the joke.
“”"I just checked some of your articles by you on your blog, put 2 and 2 together, the ”coded” words that the Klan i.e.David Dukes,Beck”"”
- Just to clear this up, I have never written about any of these thing nor do I have the slightest idea what this guy is getting at by ‘coded’ words.
“”"It’s okay to be a bogot, we are here to help you get over it, and join our American society”"”
- I think the real crime of bigotry occurs when people are afraid to confront race. People should be more apt to discuss poverty and the disproportional impact in the black, hispanic, Asian – minority communities. I think there should be a massive re-investment in those communities; not just in the ‘help America thrive’ capacity, but rather a fundamental human right that all people deserve to have.
“”"And this is what you actually wrote on my Blog…
…I somehow think that poster betrays the situation. The real issue is poverty in America…”"”
- I fear you don’t know what a mis-characterization encompasses.
Lets approach this from a different way. Maybe Jerry thinks that I am saying this terrible incident arose because it was minority community. This could have occurred anywhere. It’s a logical fallacy to think that because it was a minority community that it could only happen there. This high school has seen 16 murders in the last year; I don’t care if the people were green who lived there – that community needs help!
I think you grasp on reality is tenuous at best. My words are not used to dance around big issues, but rather to explore them in an articulated fashion. Jerry, your trying to build this crazy argument of some institutional racism around 2 lines of text. Its annoying and tiresome to engage with person with an agenda and ready to rant.
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/
Michael Kraemer,…sorry for the mispelling, and yes, since I have no foundation in your personal humor, I must say I did not get the joke, but I meant no disrespect with that part of the comment, I do disrespect you in other way’s outside of clowning your family name.
I do not want to drag your family into your lies, bigotry, and deciet, this is your ballgame…
No,let’s not look at it from a different angle, let’s stay on point here and deal with the topic at hand.
If I am wrong, I have no problem admitting it at all.
You seem committed to rationalizing your lies.
I never said you wrote about David Dukes or Glen Beck, I stated that you are using ‘coded, indirect language’ like David Dukes and Glen Beckkk to infer your true meaning, which I find to be discrimintory to your percieved view of the impoverished in our nation, which happens to include,at the top of the list, single white female mothers.
You took offense to my picture I included on my coverage of this story on my blog, because you saw white people, and that did not match your view of the poor, or violent children in our society or at Richmond.
I was being non-racial, and you twisted it in to your perception of poverty in America, which inaccurate…quoted from a census study in 2006..
-Race per se is not a factor in producing child poverty; race alone does not directly increase or decrease the probability that a child will be poor.
-When a black child is compared with a white child raised in identical circumstances, both children will have the same probability of living in poverty.
-Similarly, when whites with high levels of single parenthood and welfare dependence (matching those typical in the black community) are compared to blacks, the poverty rates for both groups are nearly identical.
You made it a racial issue, not I.
..his picture of white kids at a prom was a mis-characterization of the school at Richmond”…
How so…explain, I am all ears, and I like to have those esky facts to back up statements that are supposed to be truth.
…I somehow think that poster betrays the situation. The real issue is poverty in America…
Again,how so…a high school dance with white, Asians etc..they do have white and Asian kids there, the student body president is an Asian female…eplain to your readers…
You did not even address the content of the story, because you were so taken aback by the photo, and then insulted me..because you said it …betrays the actual cause of the issue…
Explain what you meant by that, outside of the fact that the photo shows a group of white kids at a prom style high shool party…
You put yourself in a ”superiority role” to critique me, and my intentions, which were way off the mark.I just posted a picture relevant to a high school dance that I had cleared the copyright to use…
I never got any of the racial or betrayal spin on it, until you came along, with what has been proven to be coded language.
…”Coded language” should not be confused with euphemisms, politically correct language or double-entendres. It is none of these; rather, it is designed and employed to maintain ambiguity, while frequently carrying a subtle, sinister connotation…
Quoted by this source…http://adage.com/bigtent/post?article_id=127384
So Mr Supremacists intelligent guy, again, what was this statement all about…Try not to be obtuse…
…I somehow think that poster betrays the situation. The real issue is poverty in America…
And after cracking your coded language…
…”Actually, the reason this person is mad is because I did scold him on his blog. In fact I told him his picture of white kids at a prom was a mis-characterization of the school at Richmond”…
What was that all about.
Futhermore you sound like you view yourself as some sort of slave master, by even infering that you could ever be in a position to ”scold me”…W.T.F.???
You only scold children, pet animals,or slaves,…not other adults, ever.
I can only take offense to that. I get that you are an arrogant person, that’s cool, but to be an idiot, is unforgiveable.
Obviously, crazy people do not know that they are crazy…so I get your problem,you think you are intelligent, and can not see how dense you actually are.
You my friend, are not intelligent, rather a faker, a poser.Faux inteligensia…
..What’s coded language, now that is a dumb question to ask sitting behind a computer with internet access…
Your actions and coded language speak louder than your words.
Anything this guy says people…believe the exact opposite.
He is a liar and more so,phony.
coded language link…
http://adage.com/bigtent/post?article_id=127384
Spirited debate…
Coded Language
-You don’t understand coded language. If I think you betray the situation because you post a picture not representative of the community that speaks to race directly. The contention is that media in general has a bias against the type of imagery at Richmond. Oh wait, I only alluded to the imagery, and spoke of it in a coded term… No, once again unwarranted and absurd with your accusation. Lets go on to play your game. “Jerry Brice is a racist because can only think of a white centric homecoming demonstrated by his use of a coded picture.”
Scolded
- Perfect example of how you twist things into alternate contexts. Pathetic. It’s so vile and disgusting to take rational word and then throw this out “”"You only scold children, pet animals,or slaves,…not other adults, ever”"”. See what you have done is expand a word so far that it akin to me treating you like some type of property unworthy of human quality. Once again devolve a conversation by suggesting a sinister motive.
Jerry I would appreciate if you didn’t post on PC anymore. Your hatred is not welcome here. You came here to start a *flame war* and by using incendiary half-truths and name calling aka “He is a liar and more so,phony.” is unacceptable. Or “You my friend, are not intelligent, rather a faker, a poser.Faux inteligensia…”. You don’t go calling people you disagree with slanderous terms because its subverts your points and makes you look foolish – but then again this is the internet folks.
I won’t play this insult game with you. I have neither the time nor desire to waste another moment on this conversation.
..Again, no answer…
You came to my site and scolded me on a picture that you felt should have been of black students to represent poverty…
How is scolding me not on my site,not an insult….
Abunch of insults, and still no answer.
I get it, you got caught, and now do not know how to resolve the situation…interesting.
So, … You don’t go calling people you disagree with slanderous terms because its subverts your points and makes you look foolish – but then again this is the internet folks.
I won’t play this insult game with you. I have neither the time nor desire to waste another moment on this conversation.
….take your own advice kid, and play nice and do not cold anybody, but dicuss everthing, because you kid have a lot to learn…
..his picture of white kids at a prom was a mis-characterization of the school at Richmond”…
The fact is that the picture has all races represented in it, just not the way this Michael kid sees it..check for yourself here-
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/teen-homecoming-gang-rape-in-front-of-laughing-witnesses-investigated-in-northern-californisa/
…”Actually, the reason this person is mad is because I did scold him on his blog. In fact I told him his picture of white kids at a prom was a mis-characterization of the school at Richmond”…
These are the words of this kid Michael…very questionable,but they speak for themselvs.
If you are the editor of Political Cartel, then I will not post here anymore, but expect an expose on the site,which seems to be a site that you have to agree with all the time or you get kicked out…
Sounds facist to me, and somewhat like a tool of the GOP.If this is a tool to distribute the party line of the GOP then I get it….propaganda.
Some people like their news filtered through a slanted spin with absolutely no challenge…like in Nazi Germany.
oh the Nazi analogy… Godwins Law or Barney Frank? I’ll throw them both out.
Godwin’s Law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” The term Godwin’s law can also refer to the tradition that whoever makes such a comparison is said to “lose” the debate.
Barney Frank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
Jerry, what the hell is wrong with you? Look, you may have had a legitimate point at the very beginning when you pointed out a potentially unfair interchangeability between “minorities” and “poor people.” I say potentially unfair because, while you do have a point about poor white people and crime committing white people, it is absurd to suggest that race is not a major factor on every level of a situation like this gang rape.
The poorest areas in the country are overwhelmingly inhabited by minorities. This school sounds like one of the worst, and it was too. There are legitimate questions to ask about how this has happened and what we can do to make it better. The problem isn’t being black or Hispanic because there are no solutions for that. But there are lots of black and Hispanic communities with problems, and if we can’t talk about that without everybody becoming all emotional about “the race card” whatever that is, then nothing will change.
I honestly don’t know what you are trying to prove with any of your comments. It sounds like you are frustrated with a lot of things and there is a lot to be frustrated about. But let’s have a real conversation about rape, violence, failing schools, and latent racism. Let’s not pretend like any time someone mentions it, there is an open invitation to rant about every race issue ever.
There was a good Newsweek article (with a bad title) a few weeks ago: “Is Your Baby Racist?” The point of the article was reviewing research that humans have strong tendencies to see race and to make assumptions based on that. The implication is that we can never be a “color blind” people. And why would we? It is much better to talk about these things openly than to shush every discussion of race up and pretend like there are no issues.
I agree Mr Manes, and I was in no way discouraging direct conversation about this..
I am frustrated by the mass media, in which I work in for the past 24 years, sterotypical portrayal of the races, because I know that the unsuspecting public will take it as a fact.
You writer went directly to race, when he objected to my simple high shool prom picture, and then said that…it betrays the real issue, which is poverty…
With his further explanation he definetly was talking about the race in the picture, which he feels should be prdominetly black, because blacks are the face of poverty in America, …which is not the case…
Weare the face of poverty and crime on TV, but that is just to perpetuate false assumptions that are now popular, but in reality they are just urban myths.
My goal was to see if the young man might do some research and enlighten himself on the real face of poverty in America, which is single white females…based on the total population.
If you care, read my some of my articles, and look at my comic strips, and you will see that I in fact tend to encourage rdiscussions on race, at any level.
I have not been mad, and quite possibly, the interpretation of me being angry, may have been hightened by my race.
I do not know what a ‘race card’is, because I have and always will be a black man, and if I talk about race, lately some , when challenged, will subjugate my words as a race card issue, so,…you are spot on, that is frustrating..
Guys, I am not mad, and I never intended you to take it that way.
America is very sensitive now, maybe a little too much Political Correctness is stifling conversation, I guess.
I still am confuse by his comment about my picture, and I never had any idea that some one would take it as a …’Betrayal’…of the real issue, being poverty.
I agree with the poverty issue, but all I wanted the young man to realize is that poverty is not a racial issue.
If he can move on from his racial issues, he might actually be of service in some way to resolving it.
It is frustrating for me, a black dad of inter-racial children, to have a writer so easily, and casually defer to black people as the face of poverty in America.They get a bad view of half of their culture, and it is not accurate, and is unfair.
It’s the kind of stuff I expect out of Hollywood, and I may have had a part in the problem, so you got the frustration part right.
I see that you gentlemen are young, albiet bright, but I do feel bad that I went so deep with a kid who is doing his best to sound informed and intelligent, and I get his issues.
I will take the ‘Racist Baby’ article as a good analogy, and will have to leave it at that.
I never want to have a color blind society, that’s corny, but I do think that we should all strive to be above the ‘public perception’ and do some research, and educate yourself, without the societal filters, and see if the rumors about poverty match up ith the actual reality of it..you may be enlightened.
There is a large concentration of crime in this area, and it get’s the PR in the media, because it get’s the ratings.Traffic on my site went through the roof yesterday because of Michael, so that was great, so I am not mad at you, in fact, the exact opposite…lol.
If possible, look at my comic, and read my articles, and you will see I do not discourage racial discussions at all, in fact I encourage it.
I was simply seeking some answer as to why Michael looked at my picture as a racial issue, which he brought up first, not I.
All the rest was just reacting to his reaction to my query, and I get he did not appreciate the questions…I mean who would.
I simply took exception to his portrayal of my total article as a ‘betrayal’ to the reasoning of the violence, because it does not highlight African Americans in a simple picture.
Look at that, with his callousnes and casual deferment to us black folks a s being poor and violent, and maybe you might see why I got hooked by his subtle issues with race.We are not the face of American poverty.
We do have big issues with poverty, and crime, but they are not exclusive to our communities at all.You just hear about more than you do about crime in, say, Beverly Hills.
I will say that I see he is a young man, and I am older, so I should know better, but I do respect im as an adult, and sometimes I forget that youngsters are a work in progress…like some of us older folks.
I appreciate the ‘Racist Baby’ analogy, and I get it.
I thank you for clarifying the issue from your point of view, and I see that all of us in the media have to work harder to be more accurate with our portrayals of the races here, because I see that at 22 or whatever age he is,the urban myths that we have eposed to the unsuspecting public, will be recieved as a fact, and spread to others as a fat, when in reality, none of it is reality.
It is not Michael’s fault, he ,like a lot of others are victims of the media, and I can only suggest a little more stringent research, from all sides of an issue would be more accurate, and far more reaching, outside of those that currently hold our same views. The choir already is with you,now it is time to convert the one’s that may disagree with acknowledging the tuth based on facts, and reject rumors as fact.
That’s dangerous..
From your own words:
“”"I am frustrated by the mass media, in which I work in for the past 24 years, sterotypical portrayal of the races, because I know that the unsuspecting public will take it as a fact.”"”
also
“”"I work for defense attorneys to help investigate cases, but I am not,”"” on Failure to Report a Crime: Why We Should Punish Bystanders
I don’t claim to know you, but this type of behavior is similar to that of a troll. You comments are taken with a due grain of salt.
I threw out the Nazi analogy because it does represent a failure to communicate…I have used Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies to debunk the slander against President Obama by Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh’s analogy of him, and it just stifles converation…
I knew you would get it,as it did go along with my analogy of your GOP style thought process..Mr Kraemer..
So, I guess you missed my joke, somewhat, as I missed your joke about ”Jerry Price”…
So touche, but you did get it at a smaller level.
When the Nazi analogy is brought up, it is a ignal that the conversation has eroded…lol.
Now that was not nice, Mr Kraemer…
I am called upon frequently to be an expert witness for a major law firm that gets a lot of copyright infringemenht cases…
http://books.google.com/books?id=6ium9aok5yMC&pg=RA2-PA205&lpg=RA2-PA205&dq=jerry+l+brice+the+pixar+touch&source=bl&ots=5nM1U5Yajj&sig=sM0GJlzQbM5fwVyw1OfXgGWDnTs&hl=en&ei=HIDsSsPrBpWKMsTNkYQM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
And an animation producer and director…
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/about/
…take note of that thing I said about ”research’ kid..I get you are mad, but civility my friend.
It’s all a public record who I am,and what I do, so I will make it easy for you and your buddies…
We win our cases, and you may need to know about the whole expert witness and private investigator part of the law industry before you take the bar…
And , oh yes, we a very effective and I have won every case I have investigated, notably the case that is a chapter in the book linked above, so if I am a Troll, then I wish all could be compensated at this level of Trolldom.
What have you accomplished other than blogging in your life and creer…inquiring minds want to know…
Typos…but ‘career’…what have you done in your own field.
My case and report on just this one case has allowed artist to maintain their copyrights to their work, and reieve compensation when they are infringed…
Many artist, ouside og this one atist, have been empowered by my work, as chronicled in this book.
So..take it for what it is man, natural selection is at work in your life…
This conversation has now progressed from something that could in some form be related to this Richmond rape case to personal attacks that are in no way at all similar to the “ideological round table” Political Cartel aspires to be.
If you don’t have anything more to contribute to this case, Mr. Brice, I respectfully suggest you keep your personal opinions about Mr. Kraemer limited to your blog.
As an update on the case, six of the ten males assumed to be involved have been arrested. Three of those involved have been charged with rape in concert and sexual penetration with a foreign object. They may earn a lifetime in prison. Thankfully, the girl was released from the hospital Wednesday.
The inner cities are not in contrast to anywhere in Africa. The cities reflect the disorganized, corrupt, crime ridden places all over the African continent. If you dont want to see this please go about enjoying all that Africans have to offer you and your family. Those concerned for their health will flee. The dishonesty is again revealed when those who scream about racism always prefer the comfort and security of places where white people are plenty. If whites are so violent, and racist why do black families force themselves into white communities? We all know why.
Idealists like yourself are in the metro section in every city. They are the fools who walk around among the lions thinking that because they hate white racists the lions wont harm them. Of course this is the beginning of the article which ends with police looking for a Black Male suspect. And if we grant you the usual liberal tripe of black behaviour as a result of poverty, then tell me why West Virginia isnt the most crime ridden state. No where in the most impoverished regions in eastern Europe do you see such day in and day out behaviour and over such petty offenses. You go ahead and judge everyone by the content of their character. Im sure the next unkempt stinking man that approaches you with a tin in his hand, you wont guess what might be his occupation. Nor will you protect your wife or child from his approach. You’ll wait until you know his character. While the liberal steps off the cliff, please make that a plunge of your own decision. Stop lecturing other white people to do the same. We’d still like to exist as a people one day. Just imagine us as the pygmy peoples. The UN has them as a protected culture, cant we do the same for those who want to keep white people a distinct culture too? Now lets hear the black peoples response. Not the usual liberal white people apologists.
The Jodie Foster Academy Award winning film ‘The Accused’ potrayed a similar gang rape that ocurred in the movie in Upstate New York.
It was based on an actual gang rape at ‘Big Dans’ bar in New Bedford,Massachusetts to Cheryl Araujo.
The racial makeup of the city was “officially” 78.86% White, 4.39% African American, 0.62% Native American, 0.65% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 9.51% from other races, and 5.92% from two or more races.
About 17.3% of families and 20.2% of the population were below the poverty line,..which is quite similar to the economics for the population of Richmond, California.
I think the similarity in the crimes and the striking similarity in the economic demographics are amazing, yet the racial demographics are somewhat different, given that there is less than a 9 percent difference between the population of Blacks to whites in Richmond.
Latinos in Richmond fall in between the two…
These facts seem to say that when in similar economic circumstances,white,latino and black people act similarly, and that race is not a defining factor in gang rape, or any other violent crime.
Richmond High School is accepting cards and donations for the victim to go towards her care. They can be mailed to the school at 1250 23rd St., Richmond, CA 94804-1011. Make checks out to the Richmond High Student Fund.
Interesting you bring up the movie The Accused. Who else in that movie had a little bit of experience with rape. I’ll save you the time, Kelly McGillis. I’ll let you fill in the gap of the race that raped her. And of course there is Kelsey Grammer whose father was butchered by natives (Caribbean 2nd Islanders) and his sister who was brutally raped by 2 blacks victims. Lets not forget Fran Drescher whose husband was forced to watch here raped by, you guessed it, 2 black men. Race has everything to do with these crimes. At some point you need to open your ears to the real pain that integrationists have caused to real people today. Black communities show a preference for criminality. And this isnt a few bad apples. “Getting mine”, “playin the game” are all very common phrases used. And the willingness to cover up for the criminal. The “dont snitch” campaigns. Where is the outrage in the community. Petty things like quickly making t-shirts with the latest homicides photo on it ,shows that priorities are all screwed up. 46%of black crimes are against black people. 47% are against white people. Why dont Asians or whites select the same disproportionate victims. If you remove the cross racial stats, blacks treat themselves like no other. If economics is the reason, why isnt West Virginia filled with inner city type violence. Race? The guilt drilled into whites and the anger drilled into blacks, who is really surprised at the outcome.
Deniers !?
Please, go ahead and send your condolences to the victim (who do you see as the victim in this incident?). An apology for carrying water for the Diversity is our Strength lie should follow as well.
Well,the movie was based on an actual crime that was commited in real life in New Bedford,Massachussetts,that is 78 percent white, so the rapes and crime committed by the black people in the movie never actually happened in real life.
The reason why they chose black fictional crime is probably because of the predisposition of the ”white” writers to believe that a black perpetraitor of rape would be more realistic than what actually occurred, and we all have made similar decisions like that, for box office reassons.But try to realize, those crimes were made up by a non-black writer.Sort of helps my point along about media’s role in perpetuating racism in quite an unfair, and unrealistic way.You even believed it.The actual case is linked my last comment.
I see it worked for you, so that goes to the brainwashing of society by the media as was touched on briefly earlier…There is absolutely no racial or poverty level predisposition to crime in our genetic DNA.It is simply human brutality.Europeans specialized in racial clensing, so is that coded genetically in your DNA, or you just had bad experiences with people that happened to not be white.
What did you do to egg on the situation, or were you blameless…lol
When you do look at the actual crime, not the fictional one, because fiction is not real…there were no black people involved in this gang rape at all, just non-blacks..
I am not trying to say that white people only commit gang rape, moreso to illustrate that typical horrendous crimes happen first in some cases in the non-black community.
Take Columbine, and this New Bedford gang rape for instance..
The rest of what you say may be a verbalization of your issues with black folks, and you may have a personal reason for that, and I am sure that this is not the forum for it, o feel free to visit my page a rant against us ignant black folk over there.
Back to the topic,I really knownothing about West Virginia, so I am not prepared to dicuss that until I do, but Southern California,Northern California I do know of, or help me out and state a case or something that I could relate to this topic and it might be relevant.I will say most humans with families would prefer safety over no safety, and I feel safer around a diverse community, in a segregated community, no one is safe.
To say that only black people commit violent crime and rape is just not substantiated by any study I have ever seen, the opposite is true, especially when the data is extrapolated over the total population, violent and horrendous crimes like these two gang rapes, are typically commited by non-hispanic white people.
So, it looks like the personal emotions may prevent some from shifting their paradigm, but the facts speak louder than the base emotions and hatred, but if it works for you, then I am happy for you…
The racial insults are not new to me and I could care less,but this site is not what that is about, so if I had anything to do with you going on about it, please respect this blog, and feel free to diss me on my blog, where you find a lot of blacks, latinos, asians indians and white liberals and conservatives to hate on, and you are welcome.Tell your friends..
That is a total lie. The characters in The Accused were good ol boys in a bar. You are twisting everything. The celebrity cases I mentioned, those were not made up cases genius. They are real. Case after case of black men raping white women. No twist. You must be trembling with anger that someone dares question your babble about the Richmond case. Calm down. No one is saying that crime is unique to any race. That is your twist. It is more common in some. I dont care about why, I dont want to be a victim of it. Money isnt the only reason it is less in Asian and white communities. Find me an African country where the same thing here in the urban areas, isnt going on there.
Racial insult go both ways. We’ve only defined white limits. Lets one day talk about what blacks cant say. That should be one hel;l of a list, considering everything is so open in that community. Its important when a black man is dragged behind a pick up truck, but its not important when five white students are raped and all murdered by two black thugs (Witchita Massacre). FBI Uniformed Crime reports and the Justice Dept stats say it all. Gang rape across racial lines is almost exclusively black on white. Does it matter if its economics when its your daughter? Talk all you want about why, but I am going to judge by the skin color because the consequences are to extreme if I dont. 45% of all violent crime is committed by 12% of the population. You’ve convinved yourself it is money, and maybe morality in the black community hinges on that, but I dont preach that nor was I preached that in mine. Maybe this too Sir is the difference. Too much discourse and intercourse. Again, my families safety doesnt care why, you go figure that out. Dont make my family and community your laboratory.
Every day in this country white historical figures are town down, icons of european history are stomped on, but the minute someone questions anything about the black community everything has to be racist. Never mind that it might be based in something other then race. Behaviour maybe. Of course everything that comes out of the mouths of liberals and blacks leaders is raced based. Is it that there is so much racism in the white community, or is it that only the white community has been so thoroughly looked at. Why is the white community always what success is pegged at. Whites do well, blacks kids dont. It must be racism? Why cant it be the parents–most likely parent– of black kids tend to , well, have worse parenting skills. If you can convince yourself of mass white racism, why cant you imagine mass failures in another racial community. I suspect its politics. And thats fine, however stop forcing it on other neighborhoods. If you want an open community where every god is worshiped and every perversion is fulfilled, fine. Enjoy. Just keep it in your hood.
I guess you are the authority on black people.
Your statistics are unsubstantiated, but your fear is very real and unsubstantiated.I never have been afraid, so I can not relate to your fear.
I am missing your point,it is not clear, and so…
as far as it is relevant to this rape,I do not get your point,at all,i am lost by your explaination.
I do get that you hate minorities, and want to eliminate us from society, and that’s questionable,but whatever…I have never done any thing wrong to you, except continue to breath and thrive, and beat you in achieving my American dream for my family, and I am going to Richmond High to encourage the students to not be deterred by hatred bad press, and xenophobia.I will also drop a sizeable donation, and refer some of the artistic students to internships, and mentorship.
I wish you well with protecting your family, but I have no ill will for you or yours.But, we are not going anywhere,and you and yours will not ever return us to bondage.
Richmond High School is accepting cards and donations for the victim to go towards her care. They can be mailed to the school at 1250 23rd St., Richmond, CA 94804-1011. Make checks out to the Richmond High Student Fund.
Listen to the victim. He lies about facts then exagerates my comments. This is a different take on the NAZI analogy, talked about here. When one dares argue against bashing whites, you exagerate a criticism to mean genocide is desired. Grow up. This might work when you bully people around you to get your way but I’m not impressed. You have been in the observation business how long. This is embarrasing. You spend your time calling white people the originators of genocide and you shed tears when someone challenges that? Ask the many, many white victims of black crimes how they feel. Any scholarships for them? Unfortunately we dont have the written word to document what Africans of long ago did to their fellow countryman. What We have recorded isnt a pretty picture. That slavery still exists in Africa says it all. Whites ended the trade. Africans have not. Like the urban areas in the US there is a lot of talk but no action. Where is the grievance crowd. They are comfortably sitting as “professors” talking down to white students, ranting and raving about yester-year events. And mouthing off to police officers doing their job trying to keep neighborhoods safe. Save your money. Parents who care about their children should get out of that school district. This school has reached its tipping point. Its focus now will be about victimhood, racism, gender bias, gender identity, perversions, etc. Not about what it should be. They call it white flight, I prefer White Fright. Either way, unfortunately these things become all too common when the percentage of Asian and white students falls. It always happens. No matter how long you’ve followed these things or what region of the country, its always the same. You can argue DNA or socio-economics, it doesnt matter. It never changes. I wish it would, but it doesnt. Leaving is all that has real results. Its an ugly picture but how do you think whites are left feeling when you hammer non stop the points of years ago and black/ white relations. Probably how you feel now.
I do not know how white people feel,because I am not white, I hope they are happy….you tell me.I am here to be enlightened, as I see there are no black writers on this site…lol.
I did this to visualize how I feel…
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/no-joke-fear-americas-racial-divide-before-it-is-too-late/
I appreciate the concern about how I spend my money, but when you make a lot of it, you need some tax write-offs, and that is the position I am in.
I know you do not have that issue,but us real American patriots do..
Richmond High School is accepting cards and donations for the victim to go towards her care. They can be mailed to the school at 1250 23rd St., Richmond, CA 94804-1011. Make checks out to the Richmond High Student Fund.
So, I am curious, what is your plan for a more perfect union.I need more funny material for more jokes…
In the meantime, how effective would it be to pass laws that would prosecute people for witnessing a crime, and not interceding to stop it…like in this case….
In the black community it will do no good. The culture doesnt support involvment to help itself. Lets be realistic. More marches, more shouting, more shake down money from large corporations. It would be a law that once again disproportionately affected the afro- american. Cant have that can we.
As for a more perfect union, no solution. Wait until it completely fails and then start over. Somehow I think that scares the do-nothings and diversity-over-merit crowd in this country more then I. LOL all you want. More of the same from the same.
Quiters never win, and winners never quit…
I get your point now…which is cut and run.
Is cowardice in your genetic DNA,it is a trait of your culture,throughout time.
Your people are the trailblazers for shooting people in the back,and as in the New Bedford case,..gang rape.
Concentration on your own cultures deviltry,and you will solve murder and mayhem worlwide…or continue to be a coward and run away.
I prefer to find the possibility in all people, and move towards healing,not running away,thats the act of a coward.That disrespects those ancestors of yours, and that spits on their graves..shame on you..that’s funny.
The students at Richmond could learn a lot from you, by not being like you,so I appreciate you views,such as they are.
All this will make for some great material,very funny stuff…
I need to send you a check…lol.
You are attention needy. No father I would guess. The whinny victim tone is a bit laughable. The rape case in the movie you are lying about. However, Law and Order the TV show always changes the races of perps and victims. When they did the DC “sniper” episode the “sniper” was a white guy. When they did the Hmong massacre in Wisconsin, they portrayed the Hmong as a white guy. And on and on. Want to get the fact about gang rapes. Go read the FBI Crime Reports and or the Justice Dept stats on gang rape. It should be a real depressing read for you. Your people have serious impulse control problems. The O on television said it best when she took her money to Africa rather then invest in a school in the inner city. She realised that what counts for importance to young US black kids isnt education, its killing each other over shoes. Something along that vein. How very true and pathetic. Meanwhile black leaders in the US are running around trying to find someone who said the “N-word” last month. What admirable priorities.
We quit your people. Why would we want to sit around and let your people continually rape, rob, stab, mutilate, cheat our people. You have no right to be a part of our people. Leave us alone. You are so great in all that you do, go build pyramids and great tall buildings. You self actualise you are the Egyptians, go prove it. Whites are willing to give you what you will never grant us. Space. I wonder why.
Look in the paper. FBI uniform crime reports. 12%of the population ( guess who) commits 45% of all violent crime in the US. Cant be denied. Your attitude is part of the problem. Carefree and casual. Discourse and intercourse. Your own people and you laugh about it. These sorts of stats drive you nuts when its blacks in prison or how terrible they perform in on SAT tests. It just shows your contempt for white people. I wouldnt other wise care what bounces around in your coconut but when you feed the lies of original sin and the white man, and then you see the gross behaviour of interracial crime, why shouldnt everyone be concerned. Where is your guilt. Smells of just another bougie having fun enjoying whiteys attention until one day they dont care they have you in their group. They’ve grown up and you’ve grown old. Whose world does that sound like.
lol…it’s your world in your head…
You sound very violent…I think you may need a hug..lmao.
I am a black guy and way back in 1980 when I took the S.A.T. I scored 1450.
As far as the FBI is concerned, here is a link to their top 1o most wanted criminal list…
http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/not-one-african-american-on-the-f-b-i-top-10-most-wanted-list/
…count how many black people are on there, then get back to me…
Thanks for yet another example numbnuts, half the list are Mexicans. Whats your point. Look at the list next month. Im sure you’ll have cuz on there. Its the day in and day out thugs that are the drag on our society. Do you live among your people. I would bet No. Traditionally African college? You scored a 1450? How many Hand-ups did you get. Come on. Lets here the list of gimmes. But of course you earned it, right.
Your scores are not typical. Most blacks ,as you probably sadly know, score in the mentally retarded level. Take a look at the failure rate for blacks taking the medical licensing exam. That is after they are given admittance with lower MCATs. Yet again the hand out approach doesnt really benefit those it was designed to. At some point blacks have to perform at the level Asian and Whites do without hand outs. No one wants an affirmative action doctor. The malpractice stats will follow soon. Are you still laughing, bro.
No J , I had no assistance on my test, just good ole american pride and a public education.
My brother,Dr. Brice, scored a 1495, and got scholarship offers to all the leading colleges, and currently runs the Business department for the University of Texas system.
I know that must disapoint you, but we are not all the same, pretty much just human beings…
sorry i do not live up to your stereotypes,but there is no thinking involved if you accept stereotypes as a fact.
Please carry this on , on my site, I need the views, and these people here do not want this.
The name calling and all of that is not wanted here, an I choose to respect them, they are all good people, and I think we can work together, at least in support of each other.
So, J, call me names and isrespect me on my blog, as Heather suggested…
Brice, you were asked to leave by Kramer and friend. Did you. You were shooting from the hip calling them prejudiced etc. I can read the previous little spat with you and your frightened white friends. He must have hit your G spot with telling you its all moneys fault that black children act the way they do. Of course he cant go any further because talk of race scares the hell out of white liberals. Look how he backed off big time from what was a joke about the picture. Now you referred to him as “more educated then me” in the pimp/ho topic. Look how you have submitted to them. They raised there voices with you, and now they are carrying water for you. I very much like it here. I think the two men have many interesting points but like so many, touch race and they become abusive. Called me a “dumb redneck”. As for you, I still cant believe the lie about what happened in the movie The accused and your crumbling and immediately going in to the “you dont want me to exist” crap. They ignore me but they hear me. Egg heads I guess dont have a socio economic excuse for dumb rednecks, they just hate. There own kind.
If you made it through college yourself with no help, then why dont you advocate all blacks doing the same. Why the set asides and race specific scholarships. You cant have it both ways.
J, quit trolling and quit being obnoxious. Go away.
I didn’t read every single comment here, but it is my understanding the girl (the victim) is white. The “friend” that lured her into the situation, Cody Ray Smith, is also white.
Marcelles James Peter is black.
All the other rapists are latino.
So, this is not about racisim, it’s about really bad parenting. Really bad parenting.
Homecoming dances do not last until midnight. Where the hell were all these kids’ parents?
Why wasn’t the girl’s father frantically searching for his daughter who was supposed to call him at 9:00pm?
Why weren’t all the parents searching for their children?
Don’t forget that all of this happened ON THE CAMPUS. They didn’t even need to look very far.
I also understand that the some of the security for the dance were sent home early and that there were four cops inside the dance. Everyone knows that the kids hide the liquor and other drugs OUTSIDE the dance. We certainly did. You don’t see kids walking into dances with half gallons of vodka for crying out loud.
The adults that some them the liquor, or helped them buy the liquor are to blame.
The bad parents who raised these kids to behave this way are to blame.
The kids themselves making bad decisions and ruining their own lives are to blame.
And that poor girl… donations to the cause should be spent on relocating her so that she doesn’t have to relive this over and over again.
Morons having children. It’s a real problem in our society. We reward them with welfare checks, food stamps, and health care. We even have special “affordable” housing for them.
It’s time for them to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
I hope Chuckie Pelayo does find the rest of them before the police do so that they can get the ass-kicking and gang-raping that they all so richly deserve.
It is difficult to believe people: I use the noun loosely, can be so evil. I live in a city that is over run by gangs and it is the home of one of the lagest prison gangs in the U.S. I am continually amazed at the attention given to Terrorism all around the world and no one seems to feel these gangs taking over this part of the globe are terrorists. People live in fear everyday afrade to walk the streets at night, or even visit a resterant. yet the gang members in this country appear to be more of a nuisance to the local police than a threat to the citezens. I would be intereseted to see figures on how many poeple have been killed, raped, robbed and harmed by gang members in this part of the wold. I believe the number whold be astounding. My heart goes out to the victum of this horific revolting crime and though I don’t think anything could make up for what has happen to her and what she and her famiy will have to endure in the future I do beleive all those responsoble should be treated as terrorists and a theat to the safety of this contry and prosicuted to the fullest extent.