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		<title>By: johnkerry08</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-4004</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah,
First Georgia
Then Kazakhstan
Then the World!!!!!!


We must pertect are freedums!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,<br />
First Georgia<br />
Then Kazakhstan<br />
Then the World!!!!!!</p>
<p>We must pertect are freedums!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen L</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-4002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After Russia&#039;s aggressive behavior involving Georgia today, a get-tough policy doesn&#039;t sound so naive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Russia&#8217;s aggressive behavior involving Georgia today, a get-tough policy doesn&#8217;t sound so naive.</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3991</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apropos of Fukuyama and Kagan, though some might me interested in this.....

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/13255]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of Fukuyama and Kagan, though some might me interested in this&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/13255" rel="nofollow">http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/13255</a></p>
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		<title>By: McCain and Foreign Policy &#171; TheChrisBerry</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McCain and Foreign Policy &#171; TheChrisBerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TheChrisBerry</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3989</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post, and good discussion.  

I&#039;m not as versed in this sort of stuff as some of you are, but I still cannot understand how anyone could be fooled by the McCain camp&#039;s facade of foreign policy aptitude.  He just talks in circles for a couple of minutes and then says &quot;It&#039;s about conditions on the ground,&quot; a couple of times and not even the journalist interviewing him says, &quot;Hey, John, nothing you just said had anything to do with what I just asked you, much less made any sense.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, and good discussion.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not as versed in this sort of stuff as some of you are, but I still cannot understand how anyone could be fooled by the McCain camp&#8217;s facade of foreign policy aptitude.  He just talks in circles for a couple of minutes and then says &#8220;It&#8217;s about conditions on the ground,&#8221; a couple of times and not even the journalist interviewing him says, &#8220;Hey, John, nothing you just said had anything to do with what I just asked you, much less made any sense.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3988</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it just me or is the whole &quot;party of NO&quot; meme about the most substantively stupid idea out there? Are the Republicans the party of no health care, no veterans benefits, and no peace? Some might argue yes, but really its just a difference of opinion and a difference in priorities. I hate to break it to you, but there aren&#039;t going to be any tax cuts anytime soon. There isn&#039;t a huge appetite for tax cuts at this point. Even if McCain wins, the House and Senate are both going to be held by the Democrats. And, as their plans sit now, Obama&#039;s tax plan provides for more middle and lower income tax cuts than McCain&#039;s does (by their own admission). And now that it seems that McCain is willing to countenance an increase in the payroll tax to shore up Social Security, it seems that the tax issue wont have the salience it did in elections past.

I don&#039;t think I was whining about Republicans standing in anyone&#039;s way. They decided they wanted to cast their lot as a serious opposition party, and the structural characteristics of Congressional rules allow them to exercise that role very effectively. That&#039;s not whining, its a fact. The expansion of the SCHIP program had over 70 percent public approval. It was supported by a majority of Republicans! But the bill&#039;s supporters couldn&#039;t override the veto. I&#039;m not making any argument about the substantive merit of the bill, just that it was immensely popular. The American people get to voice their opinions every other November. They made a clear choice in 2006. They&#039;ll get another chance in a few months. Republicans (including you) can continue to act as though the Democratic congress has somehow failed to accomplish all of their 2006 campaign promises (in an either/or sense, they obviously have failed), but refusing to acknowledge the role played by the opposition shows either hilarious intellectual dishonesty or a profound misunderstanding of the way our government actually works.

I&#039;ll take whatever bet you want on the outcome of the congressional elections. There is precisely zero chance that the GOP takes back either chamber. The White House may be another matter (though I doubt it).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or is the whole &#8220;party of NO&#8221; meme about the most substantively stupid idea out there? Are the Republicans the party of no health care, no veterans benefits, and no peace? Some might argue yes, but really its just a difference of opinion and a difference in priorities. I hate to break it to you, but there aren&#8217;t going to be any tax cuts anytime soon. There isn&#8217;t a huge appetite for tax cuts at this point. Even if McCain wins, the House and Senate are both going to be held by the Democrats. And, as their plans sit now, Obama&#8217;s tax plan provides for more middle and lower income tax cuts than McCain&#8217;s does (by their own admission). And now that it seems that McCain is willing to countenance an increase in the payroll tax to shore up Social Security, it seems that the tax issue wont have the salience it did in elections past.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I was whining about Republicans standing in anyone&#8217;s way. They decided they wanted to cast their lot as a serious opposition party, and the structural characteristics of Congressional rules allow them to exercise that role very effectively. That&#8217;s not whining, its a fact. The expansion of the SCHIP program had over 70 percent public approval. It was supported by a majority of Republicans! But the bill&#8217;s supporters couldn&#8217;t override the veto. I&#8217;m not making any argument about the substantive merit of the bill, just that it was immensely popular. The American people get to voice their opinions every other November. They made a clear choice in 2006. They&#8217;ll get another chance in a few months. Republicans (including you) can continue to act as though the Democratic congress has somehow failed to accomplish all of their 2006 campaign promises (in an either/or sense, they obviously have failed), but refusing to acknowledge the role played by the opposition shows either hilarious intellectual dishonesty or a profound misunderstanding of the way our government actually works.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take whatever bet you want on the outcome of the congressional elections. There is precisely zero chance that the GOP takes back either chamber. The White House may be another matter (though I doubt it).</p>
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		<title>By: derekglover</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3987</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depends on how you define accomplishment.  They have the ability to lower oil prices but instead they parade oil execs on the hill and try to crucify them.  Don&#039;t blame the GOP cause, as much as they tick me off, they are not the ones standing in the way of progress. They&#039;ve been the party of &quot;NO&quot;.  No drilling, No tax cuts, No spending cuts.  No progress.

When the Dems can come up with ideas of their own instead of simple opposition to Republican ideas, I might feel differently.  But please, don&#039;t cop out like that and whine that Republicans are standing in your way.  If the American people are as behind Dems as you seem to think, there would be no problem getting things done.  Guess they&#039;ll have to speak with their ballots in Nov. and I think you&#039;ll be suprised at the outcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on how you define accomplishment.  They have the ability to lower oil prices but instead they parade oil execs on the hill and try to crucify them.  Don&#8217;t blame the GOP cause, as much as they tick me off, they are not the ones standing in the way of progress. They&#8217;ve been the party of &#8220;NO&#8221;.  No drilling, No tax cuts, No spending cuts.  No progress.</p>
<p>When the Dems can come up with ideas of their own instead of simple opposition to Republican ideas, I might feel differently.  But please, don&#8217;t cop out like that and whine that Republicans are standing in your way.  If the American people are as behind Dems as you seem to think, there would be no problem getting things done.  Guess they&#8217;ll have to speak with their ballots in Nov. and I think you&#8217;ll be suprised at the outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3986</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How exactly were the Democrats supposed to accomplish anything over the last 4 years? For starters, they&#039;ve only controlled Congress for about a year and a half, and, even then, their slim Senate majority allows the Republicans (who have been ruthlessly effective as an obstructionist minority party) to hold up anything they don&#039;t like. Even if they manage to get something through Congress (SCHIP), they still had to deal with Bush&#039;s veto. I&#039;m not saying that the Democratic Congress hasn&#039;t been quite cowardly, just that they weren&#039;t in a particularly strong position to begin with. If they get to 57 or so Senate seats (which seems likely) come next term, then we&#039;ll see how they measure up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly were the Democrats supposed to accomplish anything over the last 4 years? For starters, they&#8217;ve only controlled Congress for about a year and a half, and, even then, their slim Senate majority allows the Republicans (who have been ruthlessly effective as an obstructionist minority party) to hold up anything they don&#8217;t like. Even if they manage to get something through Congress (SCHIP), they still had to deal with Bush&#8217;s veto. I&#8217;m not saying that the Democratic Congress hasn&#8217;t been quite cowardly, just that they weren&#8217;t in a particularly strong position to begin with. If they get to 57 or so Senate seats (which seems likely) come next term, then we&#8217;ll see how they measure up.</p>
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		<title>By: derekglover</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/30/astounding-foreign-policy-naivete/#comment-3985</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah...the G8 thing.  Personally, I don&#039;t like the G8 but Russia is still a player in the world and is of significant importance to the US, if for no other reason than their oil capabilitites.  I think any opportunity to work with them to move them further down the road to economic freedom is crucial.  Putin has nearly undone what little reform had been accomplished in the past 20 years.  If we can develop a strong relationship that is bound by capitalistic principles we may have leverage against middle eastern oil.....unless the Democratically controlled congress decides to let us drill our own...but that&#039;s just crazy right?????

My so-called inflamatory statements are all in good fun.  I actually like you guys and what you are doing here.  But I know as well as you that I am the the odd man out 9 times out of 10 in this setting, so I figure...why not have some fun????  It&#039;s nothing personal, trust me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah&#8230;the G8 thing.  Personally, I don&#8217;t like the G8 but Russia is still a player in the world and is of significant importance to the US, if for no other reason than their oil capabilitites.  I think any opportunity to work with them to move them further down the road to economic freedom is crucial.  Putin has nearly undone what little reform had been accomplished in the past 20 years.  If we can develop a strong relationship that is bound by capitalistic principles we may have leverage against middle eastern oil&#8230;..unless the Democratically controlled congress decides to let us drill our own&#8230;but that&#8217;s just crazy right?????</p>
<p>My so-called inflamatory statements are all in good fun.  I actually like you guys and what you are doing here.  But I know as well as you that I am the the odd man out 9 times out of 10 in this setting, so I figure&#8230;why not have some fun????  It&#8217;s nothing personal, trust me.</p>
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		<title>By: derekglover</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the McCain campaign is a disappointment, but not because he has had FP gaffes.  It&#039;s disappointing to me that he has not (untill this past week) taken advantage of Obama&#039;s mistakes and pointed out how impotent Democrats have been in the last 4 years at accomplishing anything.  Given that lack of &quot;fire in the belly&quot; it says something that they are so close in the polls.  Since this is the year Dems are supposed to win in landslide numbers, tell me why it isn&#039;t Obama&#039;s campaign that has been a bust.

As to the timetable issue, my point was that Obama said he would not , in hindsight, have supported the surge because &quot;we can&#039;t know what would&#039;ve happened there if we had gone with the plan I laid out&quot;.  I am just sick of the counterfactual reasoning that Democrats want to engage in rather than looking at the facts and say that the troop surge is playing a part in decreased violence.  That decrease is not the sole result of troop surges, but it is sustained by those surges.  Now we have the chance to see a government begin to develop and function.  

The early part of this war was mismanaged and near disasterous (mainly due to Don Rumsfeld&#039;s minimalist mentality), but now that we are succeeding to some degree it would be nice if Obama could look at reality and admit it has worked, instead of political posturing to establish a difference between himself and Bush or McCain.

Is it too much to want to hear a Democrat say we are winning and sound excited???  Or are they still so mad about being there in the first place that they want us to be beaten?  We can&#039;t know what would&#039;ve happened in Iraq, that&#039;s true....but we know what has happened and it is clear we are winning.S so I ask you, how is that bad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the McCain campaign is a disappointment, but not because he has had FP gaffes.  It&#8217;s disappointing to me that he has not (untill this past week) taken advantage of Obama&#8217;s mistakes and pointed out how impotent Democrats have been in the last 4 years at accomplishing anything.  Given that lack of &#8220;fire in the belly&#8221; it says something that they are so close in the polls.  Since this is the year Dems are supposed to win in landslide numbers, tell me why it isn&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s campaign that has been a bust.</p>
<p>As to the timetable issue, my point was that Obama said he would not , in hindsight, have supported the surge because &#8220;we can&#8217;t know what would&#8217;ve happened there if we had gone with the plan I laid out&#8221;.  I am just sick of the counterfactual reasoning that Democrats want to engage in rather than looking at the facts and say that the troop surge is playing a part in decreased violence.  That decrease is not the sole result of troop surges, but it is sustained by those surges.  Now we have the chance to see a government begin to develop and function.  </p>
<p>The early part of this war was mismanaged and near disasterous (mainly due to Don Rumsfeld&#8217;s minimalist mentality), but now that we are succeeding to some degree it would be nice if Obama could look at reality and admit it has worked, instead of political posturing to establish a difference between himself and Bush or McCain.</p>
<p>Is it too much to want to hear a Democrat say we are winning and sound excited???  Or are they still so mad about being there in the first place that they want us to be beaten?  We can&#8217;t know what would&#8217;ve happened in Iraq, that&#8217;s true&#8230;.but we know what has happened and it is clear we are winning.S so I ask you, how is that bad?</p>
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