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	<title>Comments on: McCain and the Third Term Tag</title>
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		<title>By: Feeling Good &#171; Political Cartel</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-5390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Feeling Good &#171; Political Cartel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] McCain cannot escape the third term label because he had to move closer to Bush during the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McCain cannot escape the third term label because he had to move closer to Bush during the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Reason Why McCain Will Lose &#171; Political Cartel</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-4150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Reason Why McCain Will Lose &#171; Political Cartel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to hone in on McCain&#8217;s greatest weakness and most vulnerable trait:  the 3rd term tag.  David talked, and accurately so, earlier this summer about the inevitability of the 3rd term tag. It&#8217;s a stigma strong enough to be the deciding factor in the election.  It&#8217;s like a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to hone in on McCain&#8217;s greatest weakness and most vulnerable trait:  the 3rd term tag.  David talked, and accurately so, earlier this summer about the inevitability of the 3rd term tag. It&#8217;s a stigma strong enough to be the deciding factor in the election.  It&#8217;s like a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3762</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The McCain campaign was smart to, at the onset of their effort to paint Obama as  a flip flopper, predict (through a much noticed conference call with surrogate and religious moron Sam Brownback) that a flip flop on Iraq from Obama was forthcoming. It was obvious that Obama was going to have to moderate his tone (if nothing else) on Iraq, and they did a nice job of preemptively putting Obama in a box.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The McCain campaign was smart to, at the onset of their effort to paint Obama as  a flip flopper, predict (through a much noticed conference call with surrogate and religious moron Sam Brownback) that a flip flop on Iraq from Obama was forthcoming. It was obvious that Obama was going to have to moderate his tone (if nothing else) on Iraq, and they did a nice job of preemptively putting Obama in a box.</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Denney</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3761</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the McCain campaign will find a way to make Obama seem too &quot;flip-floppy&quot; on the issue of Iraq.  

I agree with the notion that Obama is under the media&#039;s scrutiny and his ability to navigate, politically, is dissected meticulously under the microscope.  Despite Obama&#039;s insistence that his position on Iraq hasn&#039;t changed much, most disagree.  Obama&#039;s hitting the reality wall and realizing that the 16 month withdrawal timetable isn&#039;t a viable argument, anymore.  

Things are &quot;significantly&quot; different in Iraq.  Much different than in 2007, when Obama took his definitive withdrawal position on Iraq.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/07/07/080707taco_talk_packer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s shift on the issue&lt;/a&gt; is rational and correct, in my opinion.  The way in which the media portrays it and the way the people interpret it, is the primary question.  How the McCain campaign handles this may perhaps be crucial to the election (perhaps not) -- we&#039;ll shall see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the McCain campaign will find a way to make Obama seem too &#8220;flip-floppy&#8221; on the issue of Iraq.  </p>
<p>I agree with the notion that Obama is under the media&#8217;s scrutiny and his ability to navigate, politically, is dissected meticulously under the microscope.  Despite Obama&#8217;s insistence that his position on Iraq hasn&#8217;t changed much, most disagree.  Obama&#8217;s hitting the reality wall and realizing that the 16 month withdrawal timetable isn&#8217;t a viable argument, anymore.  </p>
<p>Things are &#8220;significantly&#8221; different in Iraq.  Much different than in 2007, when Obama took his definitive withdrawal position on Iraq.  <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/07/07/080707taco_talk_packer" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s shift on the issue</a> is rational and correct, in my opinion.  The way in which the media portrays it and the way the people interpret it, is the primary question.  How the McCain campaign handles this may perhaps be crucial to the election (perhaps not) &#8212; we&#8217;ll shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkkuwitzky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not about how they are actually different, its about how the brain dead campaign media perceives it and how that perception helps frame the tone of the coverage once people start actually paying attention. The campaign press (especially on television) are functionally incapable of appreciating nuance. They don&#039;t question McCain&#039;s maverick straighttalkiness because, well, everyone knows those things are true. You focus too much on how things actually are. Which candidate has flip flopped more? Its obviously John McCain (though Obama is hardly pure on the subject). However, which candidate has been getting most of the flack on cable news recently for flip flopping? Its unquestionably Barack Obama. This is the same press corps that decided that the most important thing about the 2000 campaign was that Al Gore was stiff and exaggerated things. 

On the vast majority of issues, McCain is clearly intent on continuing Bush&#039;s policies. However, he can wave around climate change, torture (where he is better than Bush, but not good enough), and spending as shiny objects to distract the press from the fact that they are the same on taxes, Iraq, social security, et al (not to mention that McCain promises to be much much worse on non-Iraq foreign policy). It would be quite a feat for the Obama campaign to be able to instigate a media narrative about McCain being the next Bush. I hope they can pull it off, but I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not about how they are actually different, its about how the brain dead campaign media perceives it and how that perception helps frame the tone of the coverage once people start actually paying attention. The campaign press (especially on television) are functionally incapable of appreciating nuance. They don&#8217;t question McCain&#8217;s maverick straighttalkiness because, well, everyone knows those things are true. You focus too much on how things actually are. Which candidate has flip flopped more? Its obviously John McCain (though Obama is hardly pure on the subject). However, which candidate has been getting most of the flack on cable news recently for flip flopping? Its unquestionably Barack Obama. This is the same press corps that decided that the most important thing about the 2000 campaign was that Al Gore was stiff and exaggerated things. </p>
<p>On the vast majority of issues, McCain is clearly intent on continuing Bush&#8217;s policies. However, he can wave around climate change, torture (where he is better than Bush, but not good enough), and spending as shiny objects to distract the press from the fact that they are the same on taxes, Iraq, social security, et al (not to mention that McCain promises to be much much worse on non-Iraq foreign policy). It would be quite a feat for the Obama campaign to be able to instigate a media narrative about McCain being the next Bush. I hope they can pull it off, but I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: David M. Manes</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David M. Manes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Riiiight, because that doesn&#039;t sound like a smear at all.  It&#039;s a perfect plan.

The Bush-McCain comparison won&#039;t be seen as a smear, I don&#039;t think.  For one thing, it is largely true.  For another, a lot of it is subtle - like pictures and passing references - rather than just coming out and using the &quot;third term&quot; line.  

What can McCain throw out that separates his policies from Bush?  Political people know that they don&#039;t get along all that well, but McCain seems to have lost a lot of that &quot;maverick&quot; image.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riiiight, because that doesn&#8217;t sound like a smear at all.  It&#8217;s a perfect plan.</p>
<p>The Bush-McCain comparison won&#8217;t be seen as a smear, I don&#8217;t think.  For one thing, it is largely true.  For another, a lot of it is subtle &#8211; like pictures and passing references &#8211; rather than just coming out and using the &#8220;third term&#8221; line.  </p>
<p>What can McCain throw out that separates his policies from Bush?  Political people know that they don&#8217;t get along all that well, but McCain seems to have lost a lot of that &#8220;maverick&#8221; image.</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkkuwitzky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am also skeptical as to whether the third term tag will stick. If Dems put all of their eggs in that basket I think they run the risk of starting a media narrative like &quot;liberals smearing war hero maverick man&quot;. McCain can throw out enough instances of him being different from Bush that I think it won&#039;t work. I think they would do better to focus their attacks on promoting the idea that McCain is an intellectually incoherent crazy man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also skeptical as to whether the third term tag will stick. If Dems put all of their eggs in that basket I think they run the risk of starting a media narrative like &#8220;liberals smearing war hero maverick man&#8221;. McCain can throw out enough instances of him being different from Bush that I think it won&#8217;t work. I think they would do better to focus their attacks on promoting the idea that McCain is an intellectually incoherent crazy man.</p>
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		<title>By: David M. Manes</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David M. Manes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I talked with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogger.com/profile/09404162847890736608&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blake &lt;/a&gt;yesterday, he seemed to think that the third term story won&#039;t stick, so McCain doesn&#039;t need to worry about addressing it yet.  

I told him that I didn&#039;t think that ignoring it was going to make it go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I talked with <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/09404162847890736608" rel="nofollow">Blake </a>yesterday, he seemed to think that the third term story won&#8217;t stick, so McCain doesn&#8217;t need to worry about addressing it yet.  </p>
<p>I told him that I didn&#8217;t think that ignoring it was going to make it go away.</p>
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		<title>By: jkkuwitzky</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkkuwitzky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I do not. He&#039;s better than most Republicans in that he seems to recognize its morally degenerative quality (I would hope so) and did support measures to prevent the military from torturing, but he was instrumental in preserving the CIA&#039;s ability to torture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I do not. He&#8217;s better than most Republicans in that he seems to recognize its morally degenerative quality (I would hope so) and did support measures to prevent the military from torturing, but he was instrumental in preserving the CIA&#8217;s ability to torture.</p>
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		<title>By: David M. Manes</title>
		<link>http://politicalcartel.org/2008/07/08/mccain-and-the-third-term-tag/#comment-3752</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David M. Manes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really, you don&#039;t think Mccain is legitimately anti-torture?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, you don&#8217;t think Mccain is legitimately anti-torture?</p>
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