(warning: some bad language)
http://www.libertystickers.com/left_and_right.htm

“Wall Street Funded Lenin and Trotsky ”
“Rockefeller Foundation: Funding Revolutionary Leftists Since 1913″
“Republican: A conservative who still hasn’t figured out that his leaders are a bunch of ex-Trotskyite Commies”
“Does it Count as an Abortion If a Republican Drops a Bomb on a Pregnant Woman?”

not only is the labor theory of value flawed due to false premises, but marx wasn’t even consistent in his definition of capitalism!!

reminds me of this article, “rothbard on war”
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/rothbard_on_war.html
(speaking on the progressive period)
“So what you have is the so-called commodity sections – the government boards selected from the biggest businessmen in the industry and they fixed prices and production and priority and everything else with other committees set up by the same big firm, and everyone loved it. Big businesses loved it, the government loved it and the Progressive intellectuals – as they were called then – said, this is a magnificent third way, a “middle way” as they called it – to battle the old laissez-faire capitalism on the one hand, and the new Proletarian Marxian socialism on the other.

They didn’t like the idea of Marxian socialism because it was messy, emphasized class struggle, and led to a revolution perhaps. What they saw here was a new order – and this was a vision held by Baruch and Hoover and all sorts of Progressive intellectuals from the universities and so forth – they saw a beautiful new order with big government controlling the economy, regulating it, subsidizing it, largely staffed by big businessmen in collaboration with unions, which were deliberately encouraged as disciplinary agents for the labor force, and which were practically created by the war labor system. All this of course was staffed and apologized for by the Progressive intellectuals, who acquired prestige, power, and a great sense of accomplishment pushing people around in their government bureaus.”

Amen to that, Robert. Marxist Motorists scare the living hell out of me. You never know with those people.

So, with that being said, you can imagine the suffocating fear that overcame me when I found out that Barrack Hussein Obama was a Marxist.

Marxist behind the wheel and behind the desk in the Oval Office? Are you freaking kidding me?

God help us……

It is scary that there are people who are Marxists and have driver’s licenses. It makes me want to drive more defensively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto#10_Planks_of_the_Communist_Manifesto

you will see the economy is the most important subject.

i wonder how many people have read anything like anthony gregory’s “our enemy, the presidency”. it’s time more people start talking about secession, or delaying the election process…something….

if the majority of people are not satisifed with the choices, let alone who the president will be…what’s the point of having an election

can you really believe 60 million people voted for bush. and why?
it’s hard to believe that somehow one man is able to represent 300 million people. it just seems ludicrous.

Right, I tried to acknowledge that earlier. I concede that point.

“By you not voting for a particular candidate you essentially give more votes to the other”

there is no way to prove this.

If you voted this year, I am predicating you’d vote for Obama. In that case, a vote for McCain would be nullified. If you don’t vote, that vote for McCain stands as is. This scenario is, of course, ceteris paribus, right after you caste your vote. It’s just a simply hypothetical time freeze analysis.

how about just making voting mandatory? this would solve this current debate.

It would, except for people who’d rather pay a fine.

we’re not fighting, we are representing different viewpoints, both of which are held by many people on many sides.

i won’t claim to know of all the ammo at my disposal, but i am trying.
(any help would be much appreciated)

“it’s safe to say that one of them will win.”
again. considering my own political views I couldn’t vote ‘for’ something that I ‘don’t agree’ with.

ever heard of people getting the government they deserve?

“By you not voting for a particular candidate you essentially give more votes to the other”

there is no way to prove this. if I voted for someone then that person gets one more vote. that’s all. you have no way of knowing what other people are doing or who they might vote for if they decided to.

(also, i have been promoting a republican candidate while bashing another republican, in this sense I may have been indirectly helping the democrats anyway, there is no need for me to actually vote on top of it all)

how about just making voting mandatory? this would solve this current debate.
you could have the de facto direct democracy that would ensue if everyone voted. of course, this will just create a new problem.
are we any better off?

if the whole world voted in a direct democracy who would be in charge? the chinese and indians maybe?